26 Aug
Posted by: Rob in: General, Psychology, Trading
After losing $70k trading new highs (Investor Business Daily style) with 7% stops, I learned my first lesson. If you have 7% stops, how many times in a row can you be wrong and still be able to trade (financially and/or psychologically)?? The answer is 17 times to get to below $30k. It seems like a lot, but unfortunately, I was using full leverage on the advice of my greedy broker, so that reduces to 8 consecutive losing trades to get to $30k.
What would it take to recover back to $100k from the $30k level? 333%! How often does one make 333% on 100% of their portfolio? Not very often ;-)
Lesson: Leverage and large stops are killers.
Moral: The tortoise beats the hare.
Now of course, I did not learn this lesson all at that time because, as I have indicated, I am about the most persistent and stubborn guy you could possibly meet. So it took me a decade. That didn’t keep me from making good on my losses though. In fact, I made that loss many many times over. Another thing that makes it tough to learn. So there is another lesson.
Lesson: You cannot correct your behavior as a trader unless you agree you are doing something wrong.
It is impossible to distinguish between luck and skill in most cases.
So, if I can impart any wisdom to you at all that will keep you in the game, the above would be it!
Because, you cannot win, if you are not in the game! Here, I will say it again. You cannot win if you are not in the game.
Having said that, here is another tidbit of crazy inside knowledge. Since you cannot distinguish between luck and skill a good portion of the time, the real truth of the matter is you are not responsible for your winning at all. The market is. Here, I will prove it (cause I know you are probably shaking your head right now). Go try to extract a bunch of gains out of the market right now. So you will say well….. this and well…. that. Fact is, depending on your method, the market will deliver the conditions you need to make a bunch at the exact time it does it. Not before, not after. And, you will have to be there at that exact time in order to benefit.
I said before, you have to manage your risk and then, at some point (and here is the blaspemous statement that will make most traders cringe), a good accident happens. Accident you say?? Yes. I use that word, because it is the only one that is strong enough to remind me there is nothing personal about trading. It is all management of risk. It is a disipline.
How does all this impact your personality as a trader? You have to bring yourself in line with some sense of truth. We all like to think we are exempt from the physical forces of the universe. We like to watch Hollywood movies that confirm our invincibility may be real. But, nothing shows you quicker that you are wrong than trading. It is instantaneous feedback. So, try to be humble and the way will open your way to success.
Past my initial starting days (of losing) as a trader I shared earlier, I began to study the market and develop computer models using my background in statistics and experimental design. In Part III, I will try to cover a bit about how I became a systems developer.
4 Comments
Kip Raike
28|Aug|2008 1Dead on accurate….risk is the only thing we can control..we play probabilities..the rest is a function of the market..thanks for your refreshing and very honest comments..
GlobesDrFrank
28|Aug|2008 2Interesting perspective, like the emphasis on staying in the game. Not sure
how your turn around came about so I’ll re-read again when I get a chance.
GlobesDrFrank
chip atchison
31|Aug|2008 3I understand the feeling of going bust. I went bust once before and this is my second try. “At first you dont’ succeed, try, try again”. However, it is a very interesting point that it’s hard to distinguish between skill and luck. I’ll have to ponder that for a awhile.
In a way it’s like the pro running back. The only thing you can control is your execution of the play call. Grab the ball from the quaterback and run through the hole in the line that is supposed to be there. Not much else you can control.
Chip
GlobesDrFrank
01|Sep|2008 4Being one with the market! Wow, ooo, eee, yeah yah.l Like the songs “Got to be There”, and “Tie a Yellow Ribbon”lWhat great thoughts and feelings, at least if I
can continue”feed my old brain” well enough these actions and or images to experience the brain chemistry fireworks.. A book came out this past year, “Your Money
or Your Brain”, suggesting how our “old brain” to this day in anticipation of
wins can still deplete us of money and time. This enlightens the expression
“YOU” ….”ONLY FOOL”….”YOURSELF”. “YOU”being our old, or evolution brain,
and how we and or other “feed it like RED MEAT”
Ah, awh, yeah, BURP, the feeling of being (with the help of bottle of wine
over a couple of days) brain fed or starved. Now wheres the real wins?
This blog and comments remind me of being there ready to REAP, the connection
FOR staying in the game is also being in the right place at the right time, position
wise for ongoing market pivots,… reaping the sows dollar besides
thinking wise.
This reminds me also of some reasearch findings,by a psychologist published in a “Luck School Book” in the past few years. “School of Luck” leasons and timeframe for changes can be fireworks for our old brain especially this time of back to school season. Lucky people are “in the right place
at the right time”,the psychologists luck school explanation for this is they focus on “more opportunity by
contacts, actions and associations” for this to take place.
Thanks again for the blog and comments as a “back to school” experience
this 2008 Labor Day.
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